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Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 19:55:00 -
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Ok I'm fairly new only been playing about a year and a half of which I spent a lot of it mining. Basically this seems to suggest that null sec production will eventually become the cheapest and most profitable so with the way thing look [sorry N3]CFC and their renters will control all production specifically low sec production will become redundant. And those of us who salvager wrecks might as well start mining because loot won't be worth.......
CCP I have read and understood so many of your changes over the last year, yes the Extra Minerals factor really annoyed me but I got over it hopefully I'll get over this but why may I ask or even better what do you gain by putting low sec capital production and salvagers out a job what reason do you have for doing this but if your insistent of doing it can you refund all players who bought salvagers and there blueprints oh and can you lower the mineral amount for the Noctis as it will of lost half its purpose.
I may of got the wrong end of the stick but I don't live in null and that's that oh and btw potential haters I live in low sec not this toon of course as he's being sold. |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 19:59:00 -
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Quote:WHO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME?!? Because mining is not actually needed to build anything, right?
Mining is yes but restricting the profits of it to only those who live in null sov space I feel is a little off |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:00:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote: I have to agree with this guy. Past efforts to increase the value of mining has only lead to a devaluing of income from players who actually play the game and an increase in the incentive for large Coalitions to lock down huge sections of null sec and make sure that very little of it is used and then have large scale mining bot operations deep in blue territory. I saw this first hand in scalding pass a few years ago with that Russian prince who got outted with that RMT scandal back then and I doubt a whole bunch has changed since then.
These changes will only further alienate and discourage actual players and further incentivise bots.
what kind of nutjob thinks we conquer space for the mining
Ore mining you don't but now you might, Moon mining yeah you do don't lie :P |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:05:00 -
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Querns wrote:Rukoro Okagima wrote:Quote:WHO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME?!? Because mining is not actually needed to build anything, right?
Mining is yes but restricting the profits of it to only those who live in null sov space I feel is a little off You are aware that with compression available in highsec, profits for highsec miners won't change? You do not, and in fact SHOULD NOT refine ore in highsec unless you intend to build things with it immediately. Even then, it may be a better idea to sell the ore and buy the minerals with the proceeds, as the ore will be worth MORE than the minerals available in highsec!
Oh so now High/low sec (and btw I no longer mine or produce but I know many who do) miners shouldn't rely on there own stocks they should buy there minerals from there null sec overlords. Bows to the CFC |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:06:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Grookshank wrote:What I am implying it, that this is a serious nerve to wreck loot - mostly for new players who miss the skills to blitz. Blitzing is already more efficient than looting/salvaging. So once you have the skills, you won't touch wrecks anyways. The people who are hit are players who rely on salvage/looting. Miners will profit since their efficiency is compensated and the demand will less be filled by loot/salvage. So in the end, the afk-miner profits. This is not a high/low/null thing, but a general change. I don't get what positive this part of the change does. It basically rewards afk-gaming. Interesting point here. The price of rig salvage has already been crushed thanks to exploration. So now we are going to reduce the minerals you get from reprocessing the modules too? Why even have wrecks in missions any more? Why have wrecks any more full stop |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:07:00 -
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Quote: Bingo. That is likely coming soon enough. First, we lost meta 0 loot. Then we lost drone alloys. Now, we lose half the value of the loot left over. Guess what is next?
CCP Bans salvage yay |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Adellle Nadair wrote:Malcanis wrote:Berluth Luthian wrote:Isn't a lot of the nullsec production problem, partly a nullsec culture problem. When alliances are run from the mentality that 'every body in a CTA matters' then you sort of alienate really productive indy pilots. So it is up to null sec 'culture leaders' to empower their own industrial base. No, the nullsec production problem is caused by hi-sec having utter dominance in every conceivable industry advantage, to the point that the only people doing industry in null are either RPers, supercap builders or just plain bad at maths. OK some hi bulk, low-value stuff gets built like ratting ammo and cap boosters, but even there the quantities are small compared to what gets imported. The attitude that nullsec is the only way to play the game and that everyone needs to take part is wrong. It is perfectly acceptable to play and do things in highsec. Highsec should always have the ability to do most things as well as null. That gives more things to do and more ways to play. There are a large amount of players that want to be able to play casually, (relatively) safely and without the drama of nullsec life. Null should have methods to make industry more welcoming, and make it not as hard as it is now to manufacture. But giving nullsec game mechanics that make it impossible to compete in highsec is wrong. But it's acceptable that hi-sec is the only place that is viable for production, right?
So to fix that you make null the only place viable to do production? Can't there be an equal divide..... |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:24:00 -
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Querns wrote:Rukoro Okagima wrote:Querns wrote:Rukoro Okagima wrote:Quote:WHO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME?!? Because mining is not actually needed to build anything, right?
Mining is yes but restricting the profits of it to only those who live in null sov space I feel is a little off You are aware that with compression available in highsec, profits for highsec miners won't change? You do not, and in fact SHOULD NOT refine ore in highsec unless you intend to build things with it immediately. Even then, it may be a better idea to sell the ore and buy the minerals with the proceeds, as the ore will be worth MORE than the minerals available in highsec! Oh so now High/low sec (and btw I no longer mine or produce but I know many who do) miners shouldn't rely on there own stocks they should buy there minerals from there null sec overlords. Bows to the CFC Aha, you are one of those "I mined it, so it's free" types. Carry on, then -- I don't have the patience to try and correct your hilariously awful concepts about how things work.
And your one of those I live in null sec so everyone else go.......... so are you not worth my time. No I understand its not free and I will always go for what's most profitable and knowing me I will buy minerals with mineral profits but it seem just a little like screwing some to unscrew others why not try to fix the issue. Tbh I feel null sec should because of the risks have a buff eg like 120% efficiency however I don't think that a player with perfect standings with an npc corp (and perfect refining skills) should have less then 95% efficiency. |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:31:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Raquel Smith wrote: CCP is touching a part of the game which is sacred: perfect processing;
you need to get out more
Go burn Jita or something everyone in eve has things their passionate about why do you have to ignore that if you don't care finish off N3 beat up the Brave Noobies (I don't mind I'm for sale) But seriously I get your point but I don't [or rather I hope] really think she means sacred its just a term of phrase leave her to exaggerate in peace. |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rukoro Okagima wrote:
And your one of those I live in null sec so everyone else go.......... so are you not worth my time. No I understand its not free and I will always go for what's most profitable and knowing me I will buy minerals with mineral profits but it seem just a little like screwing some to unscrew others why not try to fix the issue. Tbh I feel null sec should because of the risks have a buff eg like 120% efficiency however I don't think that a player with perfect standings with an npc corp (and perfect refining skills) should have less then 99% efficiency.
You can only have 100% efficiency. In order to make null rewarding the perfect refining of high sec must go.
coughs so you've read the Dev blog then points to Hisec 113% efficiency stats
And I thought I was on shaky ground.. |
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Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:42:00 -
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Bows to Steve Ronuken's superior knowledge. As I respect all the work you have done I will now try to sit back and watch however do you not agree at least that this put salvager's severely out of pocket. |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:53:00 -
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Ok I admit it I don't give a flying pickled onion about highsec production just why nerf salvaging and module reprocessing |

Rukoro Okagima
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.20 20:56:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Fredric Wolf wrote:Do all the people in empire not realize that 78.2% refine after patch will be the same 100% refine they are currently getting? Empire isn't getting nerfed null is getting a slight buff. High sec is getting refining arrays that will refine in the 104% of current yield so they are getting buffed also. And high sec is also getting a compressing array. I would also like to add they get these buffs with almost no skill investment.
Yeah the more I look into this I do but my point about salvage as a profitable trade still stands. |
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